Comments on: Aman Ki Asha: A shot in the dark bound to fail… http://www.pakool.com/featured/aman-ki-asha-a-shot-in-the-dark-bound-to-fail/ Sat, 07 Jan 2012 10:51:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Zubair http://www.pakool.com/featured/aman-ki-asha-a-shot-in-the-dark-bound-to-fail/comment-page-4/#comment-2014 Zubair Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:12:12 +0000 http://www.pakool.com/?p=82#comment-2014 Pakistan and India have no choice but to live in peace and harmony. Qauid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah had said it in so many words that once Pakistan became stable enough to stand on its own, he would go back to Bombay and work for Hindu Muslim unity. Mahatma Gandhi had made his intention clear and had even announced to come to Lahore to work for Hindu Muslim unity. Both great leaders died before realizing their intent. What we need to do is to create friendship and understanding between human beings that is Muslims and Hindus. When we talk of aman ki asha between India and Pakistan we talk of two very complex entities and two abstractions whose perception in each mind is of different emotional intensity and this always happens to the exclusion of oneself. That is why we do not move forward because we expect the two complex abstract entities to move. Pakistan and India have no choice but to live in peace and harmony. Qauid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah had said it in so many words that once Pakistan became stable enough to stand on its own, he would go back to Bombay and work for Hindu Muslim unity. Mahatma Gandhi had made his intention clear and had even announced to come to Lahore to work for Hindu Muslim unity. Both great leaders died before realizing their intent.
What we need to do is to create friendship and understanding between human beings that is Muslims and Hindus. When we talk of aman ki asha between India and Pakistan we talk of two very complex entities and two abstractions whose perception in each mind is of different emotional intensity and this always happens to the exclusion of oneself. That is why we do not move forward because we expect the two complex abstract entities to move.

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]]> By: Redvervet http://www.pakool.com/featured/aman-ki-asha-a-shot-in-the-dark-bound-to-fail/comment-page-4/#comment-550 Redvervet Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:12:42 +0000 http://www.pakool.com/?p=82#comment-550 Having gone thru all d comments...I'd say 'Aman Ki Asha' is a definite success n d way ahead... it got us talking like sensible people - did'nt it :) Having gone thru all d comments…I’d say ‘Aman Ki Asha’ is a definite success n d way ahead… it got us talking like sensible people – did’nt it :)

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]]> By: Abrar Merchant http://www.pakool.com/featured/aman-ki-asha-a-shot-in-the-dark-bound-to-fail/comment-page-4/#comment-354 Abrar Merchant Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:23:05 +0000 http://www.pakool.com/?p=82#comment-354 @Pakool I find it amusing that you accord a army chief's word more importance than that of a head of state. Grow up man - a PM or a President speaks for his/her country. I agree with you however, these rants should stop. @Pakool

I find it amusing that you accord a army chief’s word more importance than that of a head of state. Grow up man – a PM or a President speaks for his/her country. I agree with you however, these rants should stop.

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]]> By: Vikram http://www.pakool.com/featured/aman-ki-asha-a-shot-in-the-dark-bound-to-fail/comment-page-4/#comment-131 Vikram Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:22:26 +0000 http://www.pakool.com/?p=82#comment-131 I am feeling this Aman-ki-Asha project is just becoming a business venture for the leading news papers involved in it. The music concerts, the album being sold is a live example hidden behind the big banner. No one is ready to go for the peace talks and the politicians are making the most out of the rift. YES, the politicians I think, do not want this to happen as they are using this to impress their followers by commenting on the opposite side. I was a frequent visitor to the recently attacked 'German Bakery'. It was one place I could see there was no nationality or any other barrier. Everyone would enjoy their time and sometimes make friends from other nationality. I say the attack was nothing else but a threat to the world which believes in friendship and peace. Those killed were utterly innocent. I would like Pakistan government to make the most of it by giving a helping hand and improve their image of the common man in India. What i saw, was there had started a blame game again and no one really cared of the attacked. It is sad that being a human being no one is thinking of the fellow human being in this hour of sorrow. I hope the terrorists think of their family before targetting the innocent. This is really a sad momnent for us. I am feeling this Aman-ki-Asha project is just becoming a business venture for the leading news papers involved in it. The music concerts, the album being sold is a live example hidden behind the big banner.

No one is ready to go for the peace talks and the politicians are making the most out of the rift. YES, the politicians I think, do not want this to happen as they are using this to impress their followers by commenting on the opposite side.

I was a frequent visitor to the recently attacked ‘German Bakery’. It was one place I could see there was no nationality or any other barrier. Everyone would enjoy their time and sometimes make friends from other nationality. I say the attack was nothing else but a threat to the world which believes in friendship and peace. Those killed were utterly innocent. I would like Pakistan government to make the most of it by giving a helping hand and improve their image of the common man in India.

What i saw, was there had started a blame game again and no one really cared of the attacked. It is sad that being a human being no one is thinking of the fellow human being in this hour of sorrow.

I hope the terrorists think of their family before targetting the innocent. This is really a sad momnent for us.

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]]> By: Pakool http://www.pakool.com/featured/aman-ki-asha-a-shot-in-the-dark-bound-to-fail/comment-page-4/#comment-128 Pakool Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:22:42 +0000 http://www.pakool.com/?p=82#comment-128 @ Nishant Both of your comments are very deep and accurate. The peace process must continue no matter how many people and forces on each side oppose it. Not only we have negative forces on both sides of the border, but we also have the problem of heavy involvement of World powers in this region. Due to geo-strategic location of subcontinent, we'll always see the West taking interest in our local matters and influencing them. Please don't think that by mentioning Gen. Kapoor's statement in the article I mean to point any fingers. Had there been such a statement by Pakistani officials immediately after launch of Aman ki Asha, I would have surely mentioned that as well as an example. The majority no doubt wants to live and let live :) @ Nishant
Both of your comments are very deep and accurate. The peace process must continue no matter how many people and forces on each side oppose it. Not only we have negative forces on both sides of the border, but we also have the problem of heavy involvement of World powers in this region. Due to geo-strategic location of subcontinent, we’ll always see the West taking interest in our local matters and influencing them.

Please don’t think that by mentioning Gen. Kapoor’s statement in the article I mean to point any fingers. Had there been such a statement by Pakistani officials immediately after launch of Aman ki Asha, I would have surely mentioned that as well as an example.

The majority no doubt wants to live and let live :)

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]]> By: Nishant http://www.pakool.com/featured/aman-ki-asha-a-shot-in-the-dark-bound-to-fail/comment-page-3/#comment-107 Nishant Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:36:29 +0000 http://www.pakool.com/?p=82#comment-107 @ Pakool Actually the moment we start this blame game of who said what in past, we are demolishing the agenda. You cannot do much about what somebody said, rather focus on empowering the local public to an extent that they don't pay heed to any such rubbish. Politicians provoke populist sentiments always and it is prevalent around the globe. But unlike in the west, where extremists are taken head-on, we all need to ignore these motor mouths and rather strengthen our respective weaknesses. I believe people with a stable livelihood are less likely to pay heed to extremism. Poverty is prevalent in both the countries and needless to say that It is a bit easier to distract people off their sufferings with these lame adventurous remarks than to actually do something to comfort them. Don't know about fanatics, but in general sane people love to live and let live. Assuming the claim that a 100 yr war will actually bear any result, Do anyone of us actually believe their politicians to an extent that they will be able to perform/govern any better than they are doing now. What's the point of such a war? Do the Army people believe war will solve it all? Is it really possible to wipe out an entire population and govern a country? I am skeptical of such a devastating experiment. I think we all require schools more than we need bunkers.. Again repeating the same plea, "Why can't we just behave like nice non-intrusive neighbors?" @ Pakool

Actually the moment we start this blame game of who said what in past, we are demolishing the agenda. You cannot do much about what somebody said, rather focus on empowering the local public to an extent that they don’t pay heed to any such rubbish. Politicians provoke populist sentiments always and it is prevalent around the globe.

But unlike in the west, where extremists are taken head-on, we all need to ignore these motor mouths and rather strengthen our respective weaknesses.

I believe people with a stable livelihood are less likely to pay heed to extremism. Poverty is prevalent in both the countries and needless to say that It is a bit easier to distract people off their sufferings with these lame adventurous remarks than to actually do something to comfort them.

Don’t know about fanatics, but in general sane people love to live and let live. Assuming the claim that a 100 yr war will actually bear any result, Do anyone of us actually believe their politicians to an extent that they will be able to perform/govern any better than they are doing now. What’s the point of such a war? Do the Army people believe war will solve it all? Is it really possible to wipe out an entire population and govern a country? I am skeptical of such a devastating experiment.

I think we all require schools more than we need bunkers..

Again repeating the same plea,
“Why can’t we just behave like nice non-intrusive neighbors?”

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]]> By: Pakool http://www.pakool.com/featured/aman-ki-asha-a-shot-in-the-dark-bound-to-fail/comment-page-3/#comment-103 Pakool Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:21:49 +0000 http://www.pakool.com/?p=82#comment-103 @ Abrar Merchant Bhutto's statement coming in the 1971 is something which the people on both sides expected at that time. When an army chief says it, the impact is totally different. Bhutto was a politician after all. This is not an attempt to defend Bhutto, we all know people from both sides give irresponsible comments from time to time and it has to stop. @ Abrar Merchant
Bhutto’s statement coming in the 1971 is something which the people on both sides expected at that time. When an army chief says it, the impact is totally different. Bhutto was a politician after all. This is not an attempt to defend Bhutto, we all know people from both sides give irresponsible comments from time to time and it has to stop.

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]]> By: Abrar Merchant http://www.pakool.com/featured/aman-ki-asha-a-shot-in-the-dark-bound-to-fail/comment-page-3/#comment-101 Abrar Merchant Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:10:31 +0000 http://www.pakool.com/?p=82#comment-101 Why are you ranting about what the Indian chief of army said. What about Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto (or maybe some other President) - didn't he declare that he'd wage a 100 year war against India? Rhetoric has to be taken in that spirit and doesn't necessarily mean that it's for real. Why are you ranting about what the Indian chief of army said. What about Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto (or maybe some other President) – didn’t he declare that he’d wage a 100 year war against India? Rhetoric has to be taken in that spirit and doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s for real.

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]]> By: Pakistan players get IPL snub, still Aman ki Asha anyone? : Pakool.com http://www.pakool.com/featured/aman-ki-asha-a-shot-in-the-dark-bound-to-fail/comment-page-3/#comment-50 Pakistan players get IPL snub, still Aman ki Asha anyone? : Pakool.com Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:34:36 +0000 http://www.pakool.com/?p=82#comment-50 [...] frequent incidents is far greater than good done by these independently run peace campaigns. The lesson learnt is same, peace cannot be achieved until and unless the key players in both countries are serious about [...] [...] frequent incidents is far greater than good done by these independently run peace campaigns. The lesson learnt is same, peace cannot be achieved until and unless the key players in both countries are serious about [...]

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]]> By: NIshant http://www.pakool.com/featured/aman-ki-asha-a-shot-in-the-dark-bound-to-fail/comment-page-3/#comment-44 NIshant Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:22:13 +0000 http://www.pakool.com/?p=82#comment-44 I see this initiative as a very encouraging step taken in a long time. I do believe that the duty at hand is a very tedious and very critical one. It is indeed a stiff ropewalk, when extremists at both sides are looking for their moment of fame. Having said that, it doesn't mean we should stop trying. If it is a tough job to do, we need to try it all the more. I believe there are only two kind of people, Good and Bad and there is simply no justification behind being Bad. Civil society of both the countries comprises of people belonging to more or less similar mindset. I just don't buy the point that just because a person resides in a particular country, he can be tagged. But the point is to have an environment where civil society can be empowered enough to react to statements made by the politicians and Army chiefs of its country. If we think Army or politicians enjoy their moments of fame, it is because neither we react nor condemn loose talks. Though everybody is free to express their views in democracy, sanity check is still required. It is really embarrassing to see the kind of language used at times by people belonging to even highest ranks. It is applicable to both countries. Even I have seen shallow people jumping into a serious discussion and turning it into a non-sense argument with their outbursts of slang. We don’t need people to do it and make it worse. Only healthy discussion may lead us to a solution, but argument even if it succeeds, will always leave one with a feeling of having lost his face. If we become the best of friends, it will be like a dream come true, but we can at least become well behaved neighbors who may not shake hands but won’t break each other’s windows as well. I just wish that sanity prevails... I see this initiative as a very encouraging step taken in a long time. I do believe that the duty at hand is a very tedious and very critical one. It is indeed a stiff ropewalk, when extremists at both sides are looking for their moment of fame.

Having said that, it doesn’t mean we should stop trying. If it is a tough job to do, we need to try it all the more. I believe there are only two kind of people, Good and Bad and there is simply no justification behind being Bad. Civil society of both the countries comprises of people belonging to more or less similar mindset. I just don’t buy the point that just because a person resides in a particular country, he can be tagged. But the point is to have an environment where civil society can be empowered enough to react to statements made by the politicians and Army chiefs of its country.

If we think Army or politicians enjoy their moments of fame, it is because neither we react nor condemn loose talks. Though everybody is free to express their views in democracy, sanity check is still required. It is really embarrassing to see the kind of language used at times by people belonging to even highest ranks. It is applicable to both countries.

Even I have seen shallow people jumping into a serious discussion and turning it into a non-sense argument with their outbursts of slang. We don’t need people to do it and make it worse. Only healthy discussion may lead us to a solution, but argument even if it succeeds, will always leave one with a feeling of having lost his face.
If we become the best of friends, it will be like a dream come true, but we can at least become well behaved neighbors who may not shake hands but won’t break each other’s windows as well.

I just wish that sanity prevails…

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